@protonmail is pretty good

Tutanota

>>2162 Riseup if you can get an invitation. If not, disroot.

>>2174 Best is, if you can afford it, to roll your own email server.

>>2175 will consider

>>2162 >any recommendations for email that isn't gmail/outlook/yahoo etc? secmail.pro Also check https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems

Here is a good list of alternatives that is fairly normie friendly: https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/ Here are a couple of lists that are more comprehensive, but more in depth and technical: https://prxbx.com/email/ https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/

Posteo if you're okay with paying. You can even send an envelope with cash to their address in Germany.

Protonmail and Tutanota are the gold standard for private email providers. If you want something even more private, you could always self host, but that will usually lead to your emails ending up in the spam box.

Tutanota is the best one, look into them. Protonmail has a somewhat sketchy background.

>>2174 Riseup is run by antifa, it's not a good idea to trust your email to them. >>2175 Doesn't work because every where black lists your person server. You won't be able to email any of the major providers.

>>2539 >Riseup is run by antifa i'd rather let "antifa" have my mail than the right equivalent (or just the right)

>>2552 Said no body sane ever. Enjoy losing your email and having the manson family knock on your door when you fall 1 step behind the progressive ideas of the day.

>>2556 haha funny laughing!!! that aside, even if they wanted to riseup is server side encrypted meaning they can't read your emails as much as they might want to

You can always just use your ISP's SMTP and POP3/IMAP servers. It's a lot less trouble than running your own server. Use GnuPG if necessary.

>>2552 >than the right equivalent for starters, the left vs right garbage is nothing more than a narrative construct, but I get what you're saying. second, i am no longer the "useful idiot" marxist type, since I have discovered race realism and am now fully aware of the negative impact that jewish influence has had on our world. that being said, riseup is owned and operated by the same people that finance and judicially support antifa. how would I know this? I was arrested at an anti-police protest in a major metro area in 2014 and when we were released from jail, there were paralegals waiting outside to collect our info for a civil suit against the city (which netted me almost $5K once litigation ceased last year). those paralegals sent riseup invites to all who were arrested via the email addresses that arrestees provided. this is when i started to wake up. these people are terrible, far worse than any person on "the right". the conversations were always geared towards how groups could best attack white and asian people and their businesses. not once did i see any conversation about actual policy reform nor did i see one person make a suggestion about possible legislation that would install some sort of civilian oversight. it was all about destroying property and hurting people that do not support marxist ideals. it had nothing to do with law enforcement reform. these people are doing the same shit today. stay away from that site. and ironically, if there was a "right equivalent" to riseup, you would probably be safer there regardless of your race, believe or not. i'm not going to respond to any responses to this post because i like /late/ just the way it is and its one of the few IB where i don't discuss /pol/ related topics.

>>2601 Could you make a thread on another board regarding this please? It's an interesting topic but not suited for here.

>>2601 Yeah, it's nice to think that there are nazis and shitlibs about, but that we've all tacitly agreed to keep our politics from shitting everything up. Anonymous shitposters with more decorum than your folks at Thanksgiving dinner. >>2162 disroot hasn't given me much trouble. It supports IMAP and SMTP and almost always downloads all my messages. I use it for some things for which cock.li would be inappropriate or impossible. I'd love to self-host, but doing it on residential internet would mean the occasional multiple-hour downtime. Setting up a Pi for it wouldn't be too hard, though, and there are probably guides for that sort of thing. There's also a (paid) service called "runbox" which does hosting of various kinds, which I thought looked pretty good. That'll be my go-to if I ever decide I need an actual grown-up solution.

>>2602 i wasn't going to respond, but fuck it, ill break my rule just for one response. this will be my only response. >It's an interesting topic but not suited for here. totally agreed, which is why i really don't want to discuss it further. i would rather talk about cats and minecraft here. but since you want more on this, i don't want to leave you hanging, so I hope this provides you with some closure. what you read in my post was pretty much it. there isn't much else to tell, so (respectfully) no, i wont make a thread somewhere else because its pointless. there's nothing else to say on the matter. i mostly lurked our riseup group and barely contributed because the group was absolutely retarded. they were all BLM arrestees, so i'm sure you can imagine the low-IQ conversations that were had. however, the check i got last year from the civil suit was nice (almost $5k) but now i have to pay taxes on that shit this year (30%). anyway, that's it. stay away from riseup my fellow anons. its not good.

>>2603 >Anonymous shitposters with more decorum than your folks at Thanksgiving dinner. LOL for real

>>2603 I disagree. We already have one shitlib getting angry and recommending terrible things based on politics. /late/ is just too small for people to notice and not much of the webring has it linked (or linked back to) >>2604 Some where like /k/ or /dup/ would be interested in the retardation angle and your own story of being a commie in the last few years and ditching it.

>>2608 funny thing is i was never a commie, i was just a gullible young man that disliked police and listened to bad 80's punk music while ridding my skateboard thinking i was cool. the whole BLM narrative was literally overnight for me. i never heard of them until i got out of jail the next day and i was like "wtf is this shit?". lol i thought we were there to protest police misconduct but that was not the case. the participants with noble intentions such as myself were used. i had no interest in hurting people, intimidating people, or destroying property. i just got sick of getting harassed by LEOs for the non-crime of walking back home at 2am after working a late shift in a metro area and i wanted to express my feelings

>>2610 Are you a basketball american?

>>2162 jesus fucking christ how do you people start getting political on a thread for fucking EMAIL PROVIDERS? fuck off jesus

>>2618 this being said, BLM is a valid movement and 90% of the violence was either police instigated or started by white supremacists who wanted to give it a bad look.

>>2618 Try reading the thread instead of bitching. Email providers using politics to offer accounts is a good way to have a discussion on those things. The discussion even relates to the events which lead to getting an invite. >>2619 Poor quality bait. Try it on cuckchan's /pol/

>>2622 > Poor quality bait. Try it on cuckchan's /pol/ i tried

>>2613 thankfully, no

>>2610 >bad 80's punk music '80s punk was good stuff.

>>2638 i think we will just have to agree to disagre on that. i spent the entirety of my teenage years obsessing over late 70s/early 80s punk music. there is some good stuff but i dont miss 90% of it. idk, mabey i just over indulged but i cant stand it anymore. lately ive been listening to a lot of classical music and various electronic genres

>>2642 >mabey i just over indulged It's easy to overindulge on such a simple style of music. I like '50s rock and roll but could never obsess over it. I just prefer to listen to the stuff I know I like and not try too hard to find more unless I'm specifically in the mood. >lately ive been listening to a lot of classical music and various electronic genres I used to be a metalhead but have found myself gravitating more to soundtracks and tons of synthesizer-based styles of music ever since I stopped identifying with the subculture. I still like metal, but I've found it easier to find electronic music I like than trying to find heavy rock records that measure up to my personal favorites. I'm pretty picky. A lot of the extreme metal records especially seem more like they're more concerned about gimmicks or following genre conventions than creating memorable pieces of music. And maybe it's just childhood nostalgia, but I tend to gravitate more toward electronic timbres for most things. As far as classical goes, I mainly like the Romantic era and the 20th century stuff. As great as it can be, a lot of it starts to blend together to me after a while.

>>2662 >I used to be a metalhead lol same. i was even the singer of few metalcore bands. we had like NO fans, literally, so you wouldn't have ever heard of us. we sucked lol. i feel the same way towards metal that do towards punk; i cant stand it anymore either. >A lot of the extreme metal records especially seem more like they're more concerned about gimmicks for real. pic related. >As far as classical goes, I mainly like the Romantic era and the 20th century stuff. As great as it can be, a lot of it starts to blend together to me after a while. very true. hundreds of years with the same instruments will do that.

>>2663 >lol same. i was even the singer of few metalcore bands. we had like NO fans, literally, so you wouldn't have ever heard of us. we sucked lol. i feel the same way towards metal that do towards punk; i cant stand it anymore either. I was more into the '80s and '90s stuff and actually got criticized by one of the few metal fans I knew for not listening to newer music. I still love a lot of the same records as before, but I realized that the juice wasn't really worth the squeeze as far as finding new metal to listen to goes and that I should stop trying to force myself to like things just to feel like I fit in. That also led me to giving up on most of the '60s and '70s "rock canon." Yeah, the bands from that era were often trailblazers, but their music usually doesn't do much for me. It ultimately made me feel liberated by being able to take off my mask and admit my true likes and dislikes to myself. I still love old-school metal when it's at its best, but it's often a time-intensive genre to listen to and appreciate, even some of the more melodic records. Most of the time I'd rather just put on something where the musicians are more open to the idea of writing catchy songs and focusing on accessibility rather than taking a risk on a metal album I haven't heard. Punk is a simple enough genre that I know I can get what I'm after out of a relatively small number of bands. I still like it, but I'd rather take a chance on a post-punk or New Wave album I haven't heard yet nowadays vs. listening to a punk one I haven't heard. Nowadays I seem to get more fulfillment out of old pop-based music than I do out of most of the rock I've been coming across. >for real. pic related. Yeah, I remember hearing them once and thinking how much they sucked. >very true. hundreds of years with the same instruments will do that. I used to know someone who would listen to all these obscure composers and had no idea how he could keep them straight. That's one of the things I appreciate about electronic music. Even a really simple analog synth has a ton of possible sounds for a single instrument. Classical music is great when you can find pieces that really click with you though.

>>2670 >I was more into the '80s and '90s stuff ohh ok, like thrash metal and stuff. gotcha. i never got into those eras, i just listened to like 1999 to 2005 metal and hardcore like countervail and poison the well. https://invidious.048596.xyz/watch?v=e6nfI5D9y4o listening to that now, and it has not aged well for me i do enjoy the occasional classic rock, like electric light orchestra (showdown is my fav) >It ultimately made me feel liberated by being able to take off my mask and admit my true likes and dislikes to myself. dude, i relate big time. looking back at my singing days just makes me cringe. it was such a waste of time and i should have spent that time pursuing a degree, not chasing hopeless dreams of becoming a rock star. buttfuck it, there were many good times had during those years, so i guess its not a total loss. and i did get laid by some cute ladies that were out of my league. >Punk is a simple enough genre that I know I can get what I'm after out of a relatively small number of bands. i admit i often revisit adam and the ants, the misfits (ill always fucking love the misfits, goddamn so good), and if im in the mood for some real punk, ill throw on the germs. >That's one of the things I appreciate about electronic music. what i really like about electronic music is that it lacks that personal quality to it. its still human, but it feels more like a stream of subconsciousness which lets me feel like i can get to know the artist, without having to get to know the artist if that makes any sense.

>>2676 >ohh ok, like thrash metal and stuff. gotcha. I like the darker or more aggressive speed metal or thrash stuff (I don't like a lot of the more vanilla stuff other than Metallica these days), black metal, and the occasional death metal record. There are even some old grindcore releases I like. I also like the style of a lot of the hair metal bands I've heard, although I've always neglected the genre a bit. >i never got into those eras, i just listened to like 1999 to 2005 metal and hardcore like countervail and poison the well. I always stayed away from most metalcore. I genuinely disliked it and the whole subculture around it, but I think I might have also bought into some of that "false metal" stupidity. Even some of the more traditional extreme metal from that period turns me off because I'm so picky about production and hate the more modern production style. I can think of albums I would like much more if it wasn't for that. >i do enjoy the occasional classic rock, like electric light orchestra (showdown is my fav) Some dadrock is definitely good. I need to hear ELO more. I like their style better than a lot of the more typical bands from their era. >dude, i relate big time. looking back at my singing days just makes me cringe. it was such a waste of time and i should have spent that time pursuing a degree, not chasing hopeless dreams of becoming a rock star. buttfuck it, there were many good times had during those years, so i guess its not a total loss. Yeah, I was out of my metalhead phase by the time I graduated high school but am still embarrassed by how I acted around that time. I'd intentionally dress like a slob just out of spite for what was hip at the time, for one thing. I wouldn't say I'd regret it though. It got me into a lot of music I still like, and I see it more as a necessary awkward stage than anything else. >and i did get laid by some cute ladies that were out of my league. I always found those girls attractive back in the day, in spite of everything else. >i admit i often revisit adam and the ants, the misfits (ill always fucking love the misfits, goddamn so good), and if im in the mood for some real punk, ill throw on the germs. When it comes to punk, the Misfits are one band I always come back to. For the angrier stuff, I like some releases from Discharge, Amebix, Anti-Cimex, and Minor Threat. But I do listen to post-punk a lot more than I do those bands at this point. >what i really like about electronic music is that it lacks that personal quality to it. its still human, but it feels more like a stream of subconsciousness which lets me feel like i can get to know the artist, without having to get to know the artist if that makes any sense. In a way, the calmer styles of electronic music (not that there's anything wrong with the other styles) feel more personal to me given how much more control over the end product a musician has. Some of the more digital-sounding stuff feels really emotive to me, even if it's in a more contemplative kind of way. But that might just be me. Some of it almost feels like it popped into existence spontaneously, and the artists themselves often feel more de-emphasized and anonymous in a way that feels natural.

>>2676 way way off topic and sorry to throw the conversation way off, but what is the point in using invidious?

>>2720 >what is the point in using invidious It's a de-googled front end to youtube. You can download videos without YouTube-Red. You can easily export and import your subscriptions. You can change your instances startpage to the subscription box instead of the popular or trending tabs. It uses very few scripts. It has a minimal, utilitarian interface.

>>2740 that's really neat, i'm gonna use this now. thanks for the info

>>2742 ive been using invido for a over a year now and one thing you have to be aware of is that there are periods where it doesn't work. for example, youtube will change some API and then the instance will break. if the devs don't get to it right away, then it'll be down for a while. also, not all instance are exactly alike (but tthey're close), so if one is up, another might be down. it just depends if the instance owner is actually maintaining their instance. the link below is a list of functional instances. you'll find that some are better than others https://invidio.us/ invido also has a github page, so if its down you can usually check the status by seeing what the devs are talking about with each other

ProtonMail DuckDuckGo All you need.

>>2759 https://temp-mail.org >DuckDuckGo never. https://searx.pofilo.fr/search SearX has built in proxies and archiving for links

>>2759 I've read that ProtonMail is a honeypot.

>>2766 Got any non schizo source to back it up

i feel you... im trying to stop 3d as it tires me.

>>2162 SearX or DDG, Firefox or Brave, Protonmail or Mailbox, yeah that's about it. I'd say tuta but they kinda fucked up everyone's trust, if you look at their reddit they're freaking the fuck out.

Is there an e-mail provider that does the following? Google Mail has a thing where you can add an arbitrary suffix to the local part of your address after a plus sign, e.g. username+somesuffix@gmail.com. E-mail sent to that address will be redirected to the base address. Adding different suffixes per website is convenient for classifying mail, or determining which website leaked your address to a spam list. As far as I can tell, it's a feature of GMail, and not standard e-mail handling behavior. cock.li only returns a message saying mail could not be delivered. >>2200 Seconding Posteo. I haven't used it much yet, but I read their terms of service and privacy policy, and they seem really well-suited for privacy, which made me register. Unfortunately, I don't know how it compares. It's nice they offer two free alias addresses per mailbox.

>>3201 If you're just after a premium email service, Hey email is very interesting.

>>3201 I use https://dismail.de/info.html , they claim to have subaddressing but I've never needed that. Also, you can have up to 5 alias addresses.

>>2552 I'd rather have no one reading my mail, so maybe don't use riseUP if that's a possibility. Don't matter who it is, they gotta respect my goddamn privacy!

I pay tutanota for the email aliases. e-mail is fundamentally insecure though. Obviously Gmail or Outlook are bad news, but I wouldn't waste too much time thinking about it. In terms of search engines though, I used to use DDG, and I love their bangs, to search other websites directly. So I could go !g to search Goolag, or !alt to check for alternatives on alternativeto. Brave search implemented the same feature, and I'm loving the experience. Give it a shot sometime. https://search.brave.com/

>>2767 They cooperate with an Israeli tech company, so their servers, & your data, may run through Israel.

for any of you using an android/pixel phone, get a degoogled OS to run on it. i have a Pixel 3, and GrapheneOS completely degoogles my phone and keeps apps from connecting to the internet when i don't want them to. really useful stuff, and it's not too much different from your default android OS.

>>2162 Not just for email but this site discusses in detail many alternatives: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/

>>5432 Thanks for posting this; I didn't know all that about PaleMoon. Also, after looking at the absolute shite the web has become in the era of Facebook, wandering about on Neocities was something else - there's a kind of creative vibrancy there that I thought hadn't existed for the last two decades, and I'm glad it's alive and well.

I just found out Yandex search uses captchas. Fuck that! Back to CuckCuckGo for now.

>>5432 Nice site. I agree with the guy's take on "skeptics" too. >>5523 I've been using Searx, although it's nowhere near as usable.

>>5558 Don't blame me for responding to what >>5547 started,

>>5560 I agree that he shouldn't have started. Please stay on topic guys. Hot button issues aren't what late is for. Thanks.

>>5523 Have you tried Brave's search engine? I get pretty good results, and they are using their own index.

>>5562 I tried it, but search.brave.com needs JS, so no good for me.

>>5561 quilt is radiating a large glow rn

>>5598 I think that quilt & co just doesn't want to have to police political bs. For as long as I've been here this boards administration have always tried to keep politics that isn't related to cyberpunk/lain sort of stuff off. Back in the 8ch days there was a real possibility of pol just moving in, and I think most people were just happy for there to be this little oasis where all the most enraging contentious shit was out of the picture. It has been an unspoken rule for a long time to avoid drama on late. >>2162 I've just finished setting up Calyx OS on my phone. MicroG & F-Droid privileged installations work perfectly, but Launcher3 (or Quickstep?) seems to be the recent apps provider as well now. Now the gesture navigation is crippled for all 3rd party launchers on android 11. Thanks Google. I wanted to try to avoid rooting my phone, but the temptation to try to fix this garbage with Magisk is really strong now. Does anybody else have any idea how to unfuck third party launchers?

>>5602 Sell this botnet android junk and get a PinePhone.

>>5613 I've thought about it, and a few other phones like Fairphone, Librem etc. They turn out to be quite expensive where I live or to be more of a hobby phone, so I'm going to pass. I want something that I won't have to fiddle with too much after I have everything set the way I like. I run a Linux distro as my daily driver on PC, and I think Linux phones are cool, but it isn't my cup of tea on phone, at least not yet. I don't have as much time as I used to have, and I need my phone to be reliable, and not break in weird ways, so I got a Pixel phone that I can reflash and lock again without any google apps/unneeded network connections. It might seem odd to buy a Google phone to get away from Google, but it checked all the boxes for features I want, and has relatively long security and device update support, meaning the aftermarket OS I've chosen can remain supported too. I don't think this will convince you that my choice was right, but this was the right compromise for me. If I have money and time spare next year I might set up a pinephone or something like it as a home phone that handles sync and some other stuff I've wanted to get around to, but idk, that is in tomorrow land. In other news I figured out a workaround for the launcher issue. Nova Launcher can use the accessibility service to open recent apps smoothly. I find it funny to come back to Nova after all these years of avoiding it for being janky. It has the features I remember, and I can set the search function it has to use any search engine I please.

>>5619 I heard that the Calyx Institute was considering supporting FairPhone next year, after they are done getting Android 12 read Might be interesting to you

>>5613 Do NOT get a pinephone. They SUCK. Horrible battery life, all OS's and software suites are incomplete in one way or another, lags horribly especially with a web browser, and more. Save your money and get a dumbphone instead.

>>5628 My A64 SoC only lags on OpenBSD (not very good threading on there). With Ubuntu it's fine. But it's not a PinePhone, it's an Olimex SBC. Shouldn't really matter though, same chip. Even dumbphone suck battery life like stupid. I have a java dumbphone that I keep connected to the mains power always because I don't wanna deal with it. The only phone I ever owned with decent battery life was Nokia 1100.