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The sun always rises Anonymous 02/25/2021 (Thu) 22:17:57 No. 2918
Hey sleepy heads, I don't usually draw attention to myself. I'd rather stay anon and enjoy the content but I'm old and I'm tired of image boards. It's been 15 years on them now and there's very little reason to remain. I wasted the best years of my life reading crappy posts, making shitty memes and isolating myself in a bubble away from the real world. I wish I had never discovered image boards and had made better use of that time. I hope this post will make people reflect on their own interactions with the internet and think "What else could I be doing now? What is the best use of my time?" Don't waste your life reading posts by someone you will never meet, who spends all their time reading posts by people he will never meet. Go out there, get some experiences, become a fully fleshed person instead of a wraith with edgy humour. Goodnight /late/. The sun will always rise, don't waste the night hiding from it.
>>2918 Well said
My experience is that a big waste of time is debating. Most people dont want to change their ideas even in front of valid arguments, and usually are not on the internet to make an effort, so they dont even want or know how to debate. My advice is to not spend time debating. Put out your ideas, read others', but that's it.
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While I commend you for moving on with your life, I don't think you should project your insecurities on anons (i.e., the people who you will never meet). It really makes your insight lose weight. Not every person on image boards, much less /late/, spends their days on image boards alone. A lot of us have our own individual lives and experiences going on. I myself have been getting some new ideas for stories I want to write and I think I've just about cooked it up enough in my head to write a draft. I also wanna get into Doom mapping, which I tried in my teens, but never really had the drive to do so. Now that I'm an adult looking after my mental health and coming to terms with my existential condition, I think I can build up enough resilience to develop my own personal projects. What about you, anon? I don't think my experiences in image boards were a waste. I've learned a lot and had a lot of fun. Maybe i've indulged in them too much, but I also had experienced that gave me valuable insights on life that I still look back on today. But if those 15 years of your life were a waste, what more can I tell you? I think it's pretty sad to say you've wasted 15 years. You make light of the experiences that have brought you here, as if you are an automaton who couldn't fulfill his programmed instructions. In other words, you talk like a failed normalfag.
well that's an option if you're actually a likable person i cannot say that for myself
>>2918 It's been ten years for me, and I can't say I regret it. I'm not cut out for the life of an ordinary person. A wife and kids doesn't sound all that enticing to me, for example, and I don't have the personality for strong and long-lasting friendships. Imageboards have given me years' worth of entertainment and in a lot of ways have been surprisingly informative. It's also the closest thing I have to having real conversations with strangers. I wish you the best of luck if your experiences haven't been as positive as mine. >>2942 >I also wanna get into Doom mapping, which I tried in my teens, but never really had the drive to do so. I was interested in that as a teenager but never had the passion to learn how to do it. >I've learned a lot and had a lot of fun. Maybe i've indulged in them too much, but I also had experienced that gave me valuable insights on life that I still look back on today. I couldn't agree more.
>>2942 If his post wasn't addressed at you because it's not applicable, then it's better to ignore it. I think that after 15 years on imageboards you won't go around labelling people failed normalfags anymore. For many of us, life was never going to be all that great imageboards or not.
personally i think we human are micro-evolving to different sub-sub-species. some of us are well suited to live a non-active life. it's society trying to stabalize itself by telling people to get in line and be "normal". but it's just me. however as i know more about that there are people who prove that it is possible to live a different lifestyle and passed away with no regrets, i believe the possibility is there.
Been thinking about this a lot myself. Since 2005 I've been lurking various chans, and for the past year or so I've begun to realize that all that time could have been much better spent. Instead of sharing the same stale memes and beating it to questionable porn, I could have been practicing the creative skills I picked up in my early teens... not that I had the confidence to, with imageboards' hostile environment making my pre-existing self-esteem problem even worse. I want to quit imageboards, but I still need an outlet for talking to people. I've tried going silent and it's awful. Problem is that while imageboards suck, everything else sucks more. Discords and IRC are real-time and you can't just talk about whatever you like, only the discussion that's currently going on. Social media is practically high school. Only the people with followings have a voice; if you don't have one, you may as well be shouting into the void. Forums are dead. ...Man. I used to decry forums for being cliquey back then, but they're not nearly as bad as the services that usurped them. Makes me wish I would have learned to fit in on them. Especially since I was a creative kid then, could have made some supportive friends to help me get somewhere later on.
>>3007 notes to self: keep creative online friends around
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>>3007 Instead of web forums, go on the telnet BBS's, MUD's, Usenet, and other old school shit like SDF.org. I also know some secret underground chans but can't let this info fall into the hands of lamers. :P
Good for you for getting out, OP. For me it goes like this: >"quit" imageboards >need human interaction >come back to imageboards I gave up on the idea of being normal and I find social media insufferable, so.
>>3035 >3035 Share the chans friend. This board is already dying.
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>>3117 Maybe the blacked.com spammer is scaring people away?
>>3118 the late city "blacked.com" incident
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>>3123 No, you clearly don't understand. I'm talking about chans that aren't imageboards. They don't have images at all, either because the protocol doesn't support them, or because the software doesn't allow them and enforces plain text only posting. Also your dick pics aren't showing up in my browser for some reason. ^_^
>>3133 why are you using some autistic browser when Firefox exists lmao
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>>3140 I do everything in the tty and don't use lamer bullshit like Xorg or Wayland.
>>3141 Interesting. but why
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>>3142 Because I don't like mousing around a GUI. And I don't like touchscreens either. I like keyboards and sometimes joysticks/gamepads, and that's pretty much it.
>>3145 sounds pretty autistic my guy
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>>3146 To you maybe, but my first computer didn't have a mouse or GUI. So I never became dependent on them, or even much liked them (to me they were novelties and curiosities, nothing more). After all, a GUI sacrifices memory, which was precious and expensive back then. And even today there's a huge difference between plain tty Linux and Xorg. There's a huge difference because the amount of code required by display servers like Xorg and all its libraries and other supporting code (GPU drivers, for example) is fucking astronomical in comparison to what a simple tty requires. And that code, it's all fucking trash, full of bugs and security nightmares. It's that way because nobody has any real incentive to make something that's actually good, not even commercial software vendors. They just shove crap out the door and get their money and maybe fix it later, if you're lucky, and only if they can't simply ignore it. So now you live in a world where there's a never-ending stream of software updates and bugfix releases, but they never ultimately address the root of the problem. In fact, you're headed in the wrong direction entirely: towards SaaS, where everything lives in the cloud and you pay subscription fees for shitty ass code and garbage technology. So fuck that shit. And besides I love text and related stuff like ANSI art, so the tty is perfect.
>>3164 It's so crazy how you can just access late with no gui. How???
>>3165 It's pretty easy actually. You just use a text web browser, like these: lynx.invisible-island.net links.twibright.com
>>3164 i do like using the terminal on my linux laptop but when doing non-autistic stuff i prefer actually seeing what the fuck im doing
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>>3239 I can see what I'm doing just fine, don't need a big fat GUI system, just like I don't need a big fat init system (busybox is enough). Plus, I can run graphical programs that either use SDL or just access the framebuffer directly. It's not much different than when people had PCs running plain old DOS, except that Linux provides multitasking and virtual consoles. Though you could basically get that too in DOS with Desqview, which I did use before moving to Slackware (instead of that Win95 shit). And Linux also provides built-in TCP/IP, but back then network cards came with drivers for DOS, and you could get free packet drivers and basic TCP/IP stuff like those that come with Linux. There was an FTP site called SimtelNet that had all that shit back then, or you could get it on CDROM.
I would like to see you use twin or vwm and post screenshots. https://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/twin-vwm-and-my-imagination/
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>>3294 I know about those, but they don't seem very useful since I run my framebuffer at 640x480, and here GNU Screen does everything I need. With a VGA font loaded, that gives me an 80x30 sized terminal, which is pretty comfy for me. Pic is DOS game "ZZT" running in the 8086tiny emulator, which directly outputs to the real Linux terminal rather than an SDL graphics screen like DOSBox. So that's why there's a few extra unused lines at the bottom (default DOS terminals are 80x25). Of course DOSBox works fine here too, but I really like text stuff, and also small/tiny software like 8086tiny!
>>3133 Do you use any additional stuff with your links2 like plugins or custom build? I use default install from my distro's repo and it is not too comfy, for boards. What i find it useful for is reading literature.
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>>5288 A couple years ago or so, I modified that browser (and also Lynx) to work with my OpenBSD firewall. The way it worked is all traffic was blocked, both in and out. In order to do anything at all, I had to tell the firewall to allow traffic to/from a remote IP. So I wrote a small script to do this (using pf tables), and the browsers would call this script with the URL that I selected, and it would extract the domain name and resolve the IP(s) and add them to the "ok" table. But first it cleared the table out completely, so that only that one set of IP(s) was functional at any given time. It was just an experiment I tried, for fun. The idea was basically sound and it worked for simple sites, but not so well for sites that have data all over the place on CDNs, where the site might be loading images, scripts, or other data from unpredictable hostnames. So for example, my script knew that if I went to wikipedia.org, it also needed to allow upload.wikimedia.org (because that was simple enough to include as a dependency for wikipedia in the script). But for CDNs sites, they use all kinds of hostnames and there's no way to tell what those will be, and I can't included all of those hostnames because there's thousands of them, and there's no definitive list... So I pretty much just gave up on the idea, since it would have required me to add some kind of "Allow this host?" runtime prompt for every hostname in HTML pages. I guess this is basically what the ad-blocker scripts do for Firefox & Co. except they don't use the OS firewall. Just guessing here, because I dont' use any kind of script or add-ons for those browsers, since I try to avoid using them at all. So I kinda gave up on that for now, and haven't really done anything special with Links. It doesn't work well with many imageboards, because it gets hung up on cloudflare protection stuff related to cookies and/or referer. I didn't bother to troubleshoot that and just don't go to those sites. One time I did write a long post only to find out I was getting blocked (cloudflare thinks I'm a bot or malware), and since this is the framebuffer where cut & paste doesn't work, I had to extract my post from memory so I could paste it into Lynx via GNU Screen. Here's how to do it in case that happens to you ($PID is the Links process): $ gdb -pid $PID gdb> gcore /tmp/links.core gdb> detach gdb> quit $ strings /tmp/links.core |less
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Speaking of the devil (CDNs).
>>2918 The reality for most people is that if they hadn't wasted their time on imageboards, they would have wasted it on something else, even just being idle if they had literally cut out every time waster from their lives. Imageboards are not the cause for your wasted time. They are just a symptom and your particular avenue of choice. You are just looking for something to pin your wasted youth on. It's something that most people regret and few are able to come to terms with. There is a reason that "Youth is wasted on the young" is such a famous quote.
>>2940 That is absolutely true, and I learned that the hard way. After taking classes and reading all about "logical thinking" and the works for years, I found that none of it holds when arguing with idiots; they don't think logically, and even if they did they won't be willing to change their mind. That being said I did learn valuable information from debating with few people on IBs and similar, who were educated and patient enough to hold a proper debate. >>3007 >with imageboards' hostile environment making my pre-existing self-esteem problem even worse. Strange, my experience was the exact opposite. IBs were always a good outlet for my creativity and a source of inspiration. Sometimes I would create material that is appealing and I get praise, other times I create material that is unappealing but still (sometimes) get pieces of constructive feedback... We probably frequented different IBs or different boards on the same IB. >>3117 >board is dying >let's scatter some more Brilliant thinking mate.
>>5292 Doesn't links2 have a graphics mode you can use to display images? >>5301 Some things are marginally more useful or yield memories or experiences that help you mature. People wasted time before the internet, but they usually had to interact with others or at least physical objects. Imageboards are an addiction to data that at best endow you with the powers of data manipulation if you are very proactive at going about things, enough to become a wizard. For a lot of less fortunate people, their youth is simply made up of trying to make the best of a bad situation. >>5350 "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Even if people are smart, most of them only argue to beat down on others. There is this idea expressed by Socrates and a Middle Eastern poet that I paraphrase as you can't teach someone something he doesn't already know. If that's unclear, I mean to say you can a light on something to make them see it in a new way, but that thing has got to be on the horizon of that person's reality in the first place. >even if they did they won't be willing to change their mind That's the best you can hope for along with understanding why and not just that they're wrong. It's easier to change someone's mind not with words but with a change of their circumstances. It's quite possible you both could have had those wildly different experiences on the same board on the same IB at the same time. Gatekeeping is okay if you're afraid of cross-contamination, but let's not pretend something isn't elitism when it clearly is. I've heard the old excuse that someone wouldn't be interested in some niche topic too many times.
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>>5358 Yeah but you can also use Links in text mode, and then it works inside GNU Screen and I can copy/paste stuff that way. And there's another benefit: you can select (and thus save) inline images without a mouse, if you check the box in View->HTML options. In that way it's more similar to Lynx, but with some added benefits like asynchronous DNS lookups and downloads. And also it avoids having to look at nasty porn spam or whatever ugly junk some people post on imageboards. So it's a lot more peaceful that way. And besides, I just like text mode stuff, and oldschool stuff in general. Pic is from a site I just stumbled on today: https://sparcie.wordpress.com/category/programming/basic/
>>2918 The time could certainly have been better spent. I regret most of the time I spend online in general, anyway. These days I come in sometimes and make posts on smaller boards like this and I also try to focus more on getting and giving advice or talking about real things I can take action on. Not all of us are just anons aimlessly wandering. I have a job, I'm in college, I am saving money, I am working on my hobbies. And I like to talk about these hobbies with anons sometimes, too.
>>3140 look at this lamer chump and laugh >>3141 sick dude.
test post. I'm posting from a text-mode browser. Let's see if it works.
I'm being forced to go outside today and it just makes me want to give up.


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