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Fuck the Recursive Bible! Anonymous 06/06/2022 (Mon) 02:47:39 No. 6997
Have any of you ever spent so much time with fundamentalists that you started thinking characters from the Bible decided to read the Bible itself to figure out what they had to do next? FUCK THE RECURSIVE BIBLE! Also, days were less than 24 hours long in the distant past, "red" was sometimes used in the Bible to describe brown objects, and most Bible-thumpers might secretly be porn addicts.
>>6997 >ave any of you ever spent so much time with fundamentalists that you started thinking characters from the Bible decided to read the Bible itself to figure out what they had to do next? That reminds me of how they claim the Pentateuch was written by Moses and yet it talks about his death.
Saying most Bible-thumpers might secretly be porn addicts is too much when at most they have some stag magazines.
>>6997 The red/brown discrepancy actually seems pretty reasonable. Some red and brown shades are similar, so I can see how someone might label brown as red. Every culture recognized different colors, in both modern and ancient times. In Japan, most shades of green were historically considered blue, while some cultures described many shades of blue as different colors that we would just label "blue". Brown isn't even considered a color to some because it's technically just a darker shade of orange, similar to how pink is just a lighter shade of red. >days were less than 24 hours long in the distant past Never heard this one before. How did they measure hours? Usually around that period I just heard time mentioned in the context of day/night rather than proper measurements. (sunrise, sunset, midday, etc) >>6998 Are you saying you won't write about your own death in your autobiography?
>>7069 Porn consumption statistics in more conservative regions of the US suggest that, yes, religiosity is a predictor of increased porn viewing. src: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-in-the-usa-conservatives-are-biggest-consumers/
>>6997 It's even worse than you think; in order for thw bible to be true, God himself would have to have sinned: 1. Knowingly withholding a good deed is immoral (James 4:17). 2. God knows the entire timeline (Isaiah 46:10). 3. Included in all knowledge would be knowing human suffering would eventually occur. 4. God did nothing to prevent human suffering, breaking his own rule (James 4:17) - sinning, effectively. Either none of it is true, or the 'good' God fails to live up to his own standard, meaning none of it is true.
>>7309 Sin is disobedience to god. God cannot sin by definition because he is not accountable to anyone or anything.
>>7321 I have to question the logic of worshiping asking for moral guidance who can't - or won't - hold themselves to the standard by which they judge others. In fact, that's the main reason I left Christianity - if God existed, he'd be a cosmic-scale hypocrite. (And we haven't even talked about the glorification of cruelty, the mollycoddling of slavery, etc.)
>>7327 I think the general perspective is that god transcends morality and other human concepts. An ant on the sidewalk cannot comprehend the motivations of a child toying with it. From this perspective, god is essentially an unknowable cosmic force, and any religion which claims to speak his will are blasphemers.
>>7309 God did an ultimate good through a certain suffering - His Son, Jesus, who was literally perfect - for our f ups. God gave us free will to do whatever we want. A lot of our suffering is from ourselves: what we do to ourselves and what others do to us. Would you rather we lose our ability of free will? God already cleaned up our mistakes if you believe His Son took it. Do you want Him to wipe our choices also?
>>7339 > Would you rather we lose our ability of free will? Three more problems arise: 1. Was God not capable of construcring sentient being who had free will, but had no desire to sin? If yes, why didn't he? If not, is not he all-powerful? (Epicurus' problem of evil rears its unsolvable head yet again...) 2. Had mortals been constructed without free will, we wouldn't have the wherwithal to know we'd been deprived of it, and as such, we wouldn't suffer. By insisting upon free will, any god(s) who took part in our evolution would have to have knowingly and/or intentionally introduced suffering - hardly worship-worthy behaviour. 3. There are several places in Isaiah, among others, that either directly state or imply that God knows the entire future, meaning that it is immutable - including our choices. Such a god is logically incompatible with free will. (I hate that I am agreeing with Calvin here, but whatever.)
>>7309 >In fact, that's the main reason I left Christianity - if God existed, he'd be a cosmic-scale hypocrite. (And we haven't even talked about the glorification of cruelty, the mollycoddling of slavery, etc.) What led to me questioning Christianity was looking into Near-Death Experiences to bolster my faith and noticing how they contradict the tenets of orthodox Christianity when looking at the big picture. They point to the existence of people existing in consensus environments after death related to their deeply held beliefs, reincarnation, and universal reconciliation. Combined with that was how genuinely ignorant the people in the Christian milieu I'd been caught up in seemed to be. They knew the Bible was true because it's the Word of God, and they knew it's the Word of God because it's true. I was remember them demonizing things they didn't seem to have any real knowledge of. I've never found criticisms of the Christian God related to hypocrisy or unethical behavior that convincing, but what I also don't find the apologists convincing in those areas. When they talk about God's innate righteousness (or any related attributes), it's clearly in a sense that's completely divorced from the sense that people outside of the intellectual bubble of the apologetics world would use the term. >>7339 If suffering is due to the sin of Adam and Eve, then God is ultimately responsible for it due to being both omniscient and omnipotent. He would have known right from the beginning what was going to happen and never had to send his son to die on the cross. How exactly does God killing his son atone for the sins of mankind anyway? Free will isn't a cogent response to the problem of evil. If there's free will in heaven, then they seem to be doing up there just fine up there without sin and suffering rearing their ugly heads. If there isn't free will, then why didn't God just cut to the case and creating perfected humans in the first place, rather than holding pointless tryout sessions that he would already know all the outcomes to right off the bat?
>>7308 Not to defend American conservatives but that's a massive stretch, connecting it to religion specifically.
>>7379 Idk man, God just gave us free will to do whatever we want. To choose this, or choose that. >>7383 Free will is in heaven which is why you see beings who are loyal to Him, and those who weren't (the devil, and fallen angels).
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To recognize sin is the have no sin.
Fundie parents spank you too much?
>>7736 >Free will is in heaven which is why you see beings who are loyal to Him, and those who weren't (the devil, and fallen angels). Then why did God bother with putting people through earthly life when he would have already known how things were going to turn out for everyone and who would be worthy of making it into heaven or not?
>>7954 Because while He knows how it ends; we still have to experience it. It’s like; I know I foresaw that you were good at playing the guitar; that wouldn’t suddenly give you that skill, and why rob you of the experience even if I could? You wouldn’t have appreciation of the skill if it were flung upon you. There are plenty of other reasons, I’m just too tired to list them all. But it’s cool; free will is a wild concept, but it is rooted heavily in experience. If God created
>>7948 Herp-derp knee-jerks like this and especially "m-muh cringe fedora" do nothing but chase people even further from religion because it makes its adherents look like emotional morons.
>>8016 If the end result will be the same, then why does it matter?

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